Comments on: Reflections on the Wikileak of the Benighted Scheme’s NDA http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/ What do we want from Internet-age government? Wouldn't it be better if... Wed, 14 May 2014 08:35:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2690 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:04:41 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2690 Simon Heffer gets in on the act in today’s Telegraph with ‘John Milton was a poet and a freedom fighter’ where he proposes the following list:

Milton
Wilkes
Paine
Cobbett
Mill
Bright
Enoch Powell
Tony Benn

Some highlights:

In this, [Milton] started a tradition that carried on through Wilkes, Paine, Cobbett, Mill, Bright and, in our times, to Enoch Powell and Tony Benn. It is a strand of Englishness that … makes the crucial distinction between licence and liberty; and makes the simple demand that the state leave the individual alone to make his own mistakes and regulate his own existence. By the time of Milton’s death in 1674, his political creed seemed to have run aground in wholesale failure: yet he had sown the seeds of a wider movement towards liberty that would flower hundreds of years after him …

It is his later pamphlets, though, that set up the struggle for English liberty that we now, to our shock, appear after all to be losing. The Tenure of Kings and Magistrates argued “that it is lawful, and hath been held so through all ages, for any, who have the power, to call to account a tyrant, or wicked king, and after due conviction to depose, and put him to death” … They established the general principle that the people were sovereign … and demolished the case for the divine right of kings in a way that only a religious zealot could do. His later argument for republicanism in The Ready and Easy Way to Establish a Free Commonwealth merely set the parameters for what became our constitutional monarchy.

Milton’s influence on our world has been immense. We use his words every day. We quote him … But, above all, we continue to imbibe his doctrine, and to believe in its rightfulness. In that sense, he does live at this hour, however much Mr Brown’s police state tries to deny him.

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By: Ideal Gov administrator http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2689 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:41:43 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2689 Jeff writes:

One of my heroes is Tim Edgar. He worked for ACLU and then went to work in our intelligence organization at the ODNI – in their privacy and civil liberties office. This takes guts. This is a form of cross-polination between intrl and privacy. and thus a good thing.

Hurrah. Hi Tim! Thanks Jeff.

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2688 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:53:52 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2688 Something wrong with the list above – not enough Davises!
How about Sir Howard Davies?
And Simon Davies?

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By: Richard S http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2687 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:45:43 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2687 Rory Bremner: If only NuLabour had taken his “Beyond Iraq and a Hard Place”… seriously before invading Iraq; If only they’d taken seriously his satire before invading Afghanistan.

Often, satire seems the only serious opposition to the current government: Makes most articles by “serious,” “expert” (fawning) journalists look like a joke.

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2686 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:47:08 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2686 Here is Simon Jenkins in full flow: He was a dangerous man – David Blunkett, the demagogic face of Blairism, was the worst Home Secretary of modern times.

Mr Jenkins is now Chairman of the National Trust.

What would Tony Blair or Gordon Brown give for that title? And how far they are from ever earning it!

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2685 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:32:51 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2685 Richard Ingrams
William Cobbett
John Wilkes

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2684 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:32:06 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2684 Simon Jenkins (I would ask you to withdraw yournomination of him as I would like to nominate him)

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2683 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:31:13 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2683 Shami Chakrabarti

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2682 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:29:44 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2682 Martyn Thomas

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2008/12/reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda/comment-page-1/#comment-2681 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:29:21 +0000 http://reflections_on_the_wikileak_of_the_benighted_schemes_nda#comment-2681 David Winnick MP

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