Comments on: *SIGH* The return of the annual tax return un-ideal government http://idealgovernment.com/2009/01/sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government/ What do we want from Internet-age government? Wouldn't it be better if... Wed, 14 May 2014 08:35:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: Tom Chiverton http://idealgovernment.com/2009/01/sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government/comment-page-1/#comment-2727 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:53:05 +0000 http://sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government#comment-2727 This is why the old paper forms were better. The fine was only for non-return, not non-completed in minute detail with numbers the government already has.

So the two years when the government tried it on me, I filled in as much as I could there and then but mailed it back a week before the dead line.
Never heard a thing back, so it must have been OK.

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By: Feargal Hogan http://idealgovernment.com/2009/01/sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government/comment-page-1/#comment-2726 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:27:19 +0000 http://sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government#comment-2726 Do a paper return BEFORE Sept 30th and just make up the figures. They compare them to the correct figures and correct any mistakes.

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2009/01/sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government/comment-page-1/#comment-2725 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:32:29 +0000 http://sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government#comment-2725 A couple of ideas:

1. You could always ring up your previous employer and ask them for the P60 figures.

2. Or the Mail on Sunday. Remember, they had the source code for the UK Government Gateway for a while and some logon details. If your previous employer submitted their returns online, the MoS ought to be able to log on and get them for you. Everyone in Europe should know that.

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2009/01/sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government/comment-page-1/#comment-2722 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:28:58 +0000 http://sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government#comment-2722 The story you tell is dismal.

Compare that with the true story of a man not a million miles away from myself who suffered a bit of identity theft – the banks/credit card companies acquitted themselves brilliantly.

IPS still like to pretend that their ID cards will prevent (sic) identity theft. Imagine that, one day, despite Sir James Crosby, they got their way and that IPS ID cards wormed their way into the nation’s payment systems.

Do you think the service would be as good as the banks’ and credit card companies’? Or better? Or more like PAYE? How long would it be before we were reduced to a barter economy?

I met an IT person at a party just after Christmas. (I am in confessional mood.) He works for HMRC. No names, no pack drill.

We were talking about the tax credits system. There are apparently 2,000 or so unique combinations of … things … that affect each claimant’s tax credit amount. And those things can change daily.

My interlocutor reckoned it would take between 6 and 8 weeks for each change to be processed through the system. And that’s with the bright sparks in the Treasury pressing the buttons. Translate those figures into IPS speak and … you’ll be begging for the return of the days when you only had to deal with PAYE.

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By: David Moss http://idealgovernment.com/2009/01/sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government/comment-page-1/#comment-2724 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:15:11 +0000 http://sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government#comment-2724 Worth noting that HMRC can rise to the occasion.

If you deal with the Corporation Tax people, they are very bright, very quick on the uptake and open to reasonable negotiation.

If you deal with the R&D claims people, it’s first name terms half way through the first phone call and they ring you to apologise if the cheque is sent out on Tuesday instead of Monday.

It’s a different story in PAYE. As you describe.

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By: Ideal Gov administrator http://idealgovernment.com/2009/01/sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government/comment-page-1/#comment-2723 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:24:39 +0000 http://sigh_the_return_of_the_annual_tax_return_un_ideal_government#comment-2723 It is SO miserable.

I do feel that the moment of payment is the moment I most want to say (on a comps slip, for example) please DO NOT spend this money on

– wars (on anything)
– surveillance

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